Technically that would be chemistry and physics (along with some other sciences like cosmology) it is straw manning and not atheism. Of course, it reminds me of this: http://xkcd.org/444/
That is like saying that all atheists are against racism and believe that “everyone is exactly the same!”.
Well, no they aren’t. The technical term is straw manning- for starters, I don’t believe it was magic or that “nothing happened to nothing”- I honestly have no clue how the universe began. Which is why we build giant particle accelerators.
As it is, the universe is 14 billion years old, so a LOT of unlikely stuff can (and has) happened without violating any physical laws or requiring design.
This is what tends to happen when people use generalizations to make what they feel are profound statements. Perhaps if either side would explain their positions with rationale and substance rather than taking pot shots at the other side, some real progress could be made.
Granted, atheism leaves a certain amount of unanswered questions, but does that mean we should just answer every question with “God did it” to make things easier? The problem with the religious is that they also have a habit of standing in the way of any kind of progress that isn’t congruent with ‘The Bible’, academics for instance have been burned at the stake for first suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun. The reason? Fear. The Church have long been afraid, we’re just getting too smart. It’s not easy indoctrinating the masses with out-of-date rhetoric. C’mon guys, where does it end?Leprechaurns? Pixies? We’re better than that now.
I am a christian, because I was brainwashed at a very early age. I can see why people are atheists, but don’t people down because they believe in something. However I am totally against the church and all its power, the older I get I guess my feelings will change about death, but for now I am happy I am alive.
You’re a little off. There was a singularity, an infinitly small point with an infinite mass, they’re in the center of black holes (we say this because we can’t measure it but its a really high number) and it didn’t explode it stretched. Also abiogenises was a chemical reaction that created a very simplistic life form (we know its possible because it was created in a lab) and eveolution is not magic or random its powered through mutations (seen them, genetic drift, and natural selection (not survival of the fittest). Also thats not even athiesm its science but nice try. I didn’t post this to be a jerk by the way i posted this because some people here seemed to think thats what athiest beleive.
Religion:
There was nothing but then something called god came and created everything from nothing by magic, makes total sence. Cant explain it? Just say god did it.
Haha, the atheists who take this seriously are even stupider than I thought. Getting too smart? Nothing in the bible has been disproved. Ever. 14 billion years? What used carbon dating for that too?
This, on its surface, seems like a good argument for the existence of God. However, if one is to say that everything needs a creator and cannot arise naturally, then how does one explain God’s existence? Surely God must not have a creator and thus “magically” appeared from nothing. The point is, something obviously did arise naturally, whether the thing is question is God or the universe; God’s own existence makes him unnecessary in that something could have been created from nothing. One can not make a princi
This, on its surface, seems like a good argument for the existence of God. However, if one is to say that everything needs a creator and cannot arise naturally, then how does one explain God’s existence? Surely God must not have a creator and thus God “magically” appeared from nothing. The point is, something obviously did arise naturally without a creator, whether the thing is question is God or the universe; God’s own existence makes him unnecessary in that something could have been created from nothing. One can not make a principled argument if one claims that God is the exception to the rule used to prove him. One might say that God is not material, has no energy or matter, that God is infinite rather than finate, that God resides outside of the universe (which begs the question of who created this other universe God lives in), in essence that god has no entropy. If one is to say this then one is to say that God does not exist because this fits the definition of of nonexistence. Furthermore, we can observe that complexity cannot arise in a complex state but rather must originate in simplicity and become more complex over time, be it life (humans did not magically appear but rather evolved from a line that can be traced back to organic compounds), a solar system and its planets (we know the solar system was once a disorderly disk of gas and particles, look up te nebular hypothesis), or the universe (the big bang; the universe began as the most simple state possible, a singularity). Thus, the concept of God is in contradiction with certain basic premises of reality in that God is generally accepted to not have been created and then must always have been as complex as God was when he created the universe, and God must be at least as complex as the universe in order to create it; God has always been enormously complex and did not evolve from simplicity, and this is considered to be impossible by all serious inquiries. This view (that it is impossible for God to exist because he has always existed in a complex or ordered state) is also supported by basic fundementals of physics and math. The laws of thermodynamics suggest that the statistical probability of the universe being created from from a state of even lower entropy (the more complex and ordered something is, the lower the entropy, thus, God is a state of lower entropy) compared to a state or higher entropy is infinitely lower. We can not definitively demonstrate that God does not exist beyond a reasonable doubt, however the (abridged) evidence above should demonstrate that there is clear and conving evidence suggesting the concept of God is either improbable or impossible.
I’m an atheist, and I have no idea how the universe started. Saying that “god did it” just pushes the question back to, “Who made god?” The exact same things said in the image can be said for religions as well; don’t think you’re immune just because you slap a god onto everything you don’t know. And please stop using this straw man, it’s extremely annoying.
Oh yeah and a space god living in the clouds playing big brother to the universe while carefully monitoring every single person every moment of everyday is completely reasonable. Atheists believe that there is no possible way you can know what happens when you die….until you die. You religious nuts guarantee you know the answers, at least us atheists admit we don’t. Read a book and you’ll realize the Earth is a lot more than just 5,000 years old (like the bible says) or that dinosaurs and man never existed at the same time. Creationism=Lies and Faith=Believing something with absolutely no proof. Rather religulous if you ask me.
This is pretty much completely untrue. Atheism is confined purely to the belief that there is no God. Atheism in and of itself does not claim to know how the universe started. Although nothing coming from nothing in my mind is better than some invisible being that kills the entire human race whenever they piss him off.
Nothing of what happened was “magic”. It’s sad to see such brainwashing among Christendom and other religion as a general. Why don’t you read a little bit more on the evolutionary theory and the Big Bang Theory. Most theologists and theists have an infinitesimally small grasp of science. Or many, practice pseudo-science (Kent Hovind, etc.) Have you opened your Bible? The Old Testament repeatedly condones many atrocities–http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html. And I presume that you don’t have a degree in science, yet you think you’re smarter than the likes of Dawkins, Hitchens, Hawkings, and the rest of the menagerie, even though they’ve dedicated their entire lives to the field? Grow up.
Idiotic religious people providing a definition of atheism:
The belief that people who know nothing and studied nothing in school and learn nothing magically think they know everything and then type on their keyboards for no reason what so ever making comments that turn out to be true and profound.
Makes perfect sense.
Maybe if you had an IQ over 100, studied biology, chemistry and physics and had a logical brain: you would see that the universe works fine on its own, and doesn’t need an invisible space god telling you not to eat pork and to go to church otherwise you spend an infinite amount of time in a magic prison.
Assuming you refer to Big bang and evolution of universe, please note it is not a belief handed over to us by some cave dwelling, murderous illiterates. we arrived at this knowledge by painstaking observation and evaluation, not by declaring faith in it, but by airing doubts at every single step. It is a journey that has taken us some 13.5 billion years in to the past. A small improvement upon 6004 years!
Every step leading to the conclusion is made open to contest by the the very people who arrived at the conclusion. sounds strange to you? it should!
stoning? Jesus said “he with no sin cast the first stone”
that means nobody.
if theres something in the old testament your referring to it would be wise to know the difference & read things in context. maybe a little history lesson is in order. bro.
Technically that would be chemistry and physics (along with some other sciences like cosmology) it is straw manning and not atheism. Of course, it reminds me of this:
http://xkcd.org/444/
The steps are entirely random… or not.
But generally atheists believe in this…
Lmao, that is great. I am sure there is more to Atheism than I could ever realize, but that made me laugh regardless.
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“But generally atheists believe in this…”
Really?
Well, I guess then generally Christians believe that slavery is okay and you should stone disobedient children, since it says so in the bible…
Oh, wait, am I making a straw man argument? My bad…
That is like saying that all atheists are against racism and believe that “everyone is exactly the same!”.
Well, no they aren’t. The technical term is straw manning- for starters, I don’t believe it was magic or that “nothing happened to nothing”- I honestly have no clue how the universe began. Which is why we build giant particle accelerators.
As it is, the universe is 14 billion years old, so a LOT of unlikely stuff can (and has) happened without violating any physical laws or requiring design.
@Simple Sapien – thanks too!
@AnimalAndy – Your inability to understand ‘context vs content’ is showing.
This is what tends to happen when people use generalizations to make what they feel are profound statements. Perhaps if either side would explain their positions with rationale and substance rather than taking pot shots at the other side, some real progress could be made.
Granted, atheism leaves a certain amount of unanswered questions, but does that mean we should just answer every question with “God did it” to make things easier? The problem with the religious is that they also have a habit of standing in the way of any kind of progress that isn’t congruent with ‘The Bible’, academics for instance have been burned at the stake for first suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun. The reason? Fear. The Church have long been afraid, we’re just getting too smart. It’s not easy indoctrinating the masses with out-of-date rhetoric. C’mon guys, where does it end?Leprechaurns? Pixies? We’re better than that now.
I am a christian, because I was brainwashed at a very early age. I can see why people are atheists, but don’t people down because they believe in something. However I am totally against the church and all its power, the older I get I guess my feelings will change about death, but for now I am happy I am alive.
You’re a little off. There was a singularity, an infinitly small point with an infinite mass, they’re in the center of black holes (we say this because we can’t measure it but its a really high number) and it didn’t explode it stretched. Also abiogenises was a chemical reaction that created a very simplistic life form (we know its possible because it was created in a lab) and eveolution is not magic or random its powered through mutations (seen them, genetic drift, and natural selection (not survival of the fittest). Also thats not even athiesm its science but nice try. I didn’t post this to be a jerk by the way i posted this because some people here seemed to think thats what athiest beleive.
ok.in conclusion:
Atheism = Epic Fail
I love the use of the word ‘Magically’ twice. Atheists – If they believe in anything at all its probably not magic!
Religion:
There was nothing but then something called god came and created everything from nothing by magic, makes total sence. Cant explain it? Just say god did it.
Haha, the atheists who take this seriously are even stupider than I thought. Getting too smart? Nothing in the bible has been disproved. Ever. 14 billion years? What used carbon dating for that too?
So being religious means you use the same 3 words to explain everything.
God did it.
Science does not explain everything it is all theory till proven whereas religion explains well… nothing.
This, on its surface, seems like a good argument for the existence of God. However, if one is to say that everything needs a creator and cannot arise naturally, then how does one explain God’s existence? Surely God must not have a creator and thus “magically” appeared from nothing. The point is, something obviously did arise naturally, whether the thing is question is God or the universe; God’s own existence makes him unnecessary in that something could have been created from nothing. One can not make a princi
This, on its surface, seems like a good argument for the existence of God. However, if one is to say that everything needs a creator and cannot arise naturally, then how does one explain God’s existence? Surely God must not have a creator and thus God “magically” appeared from nothing. The point is, something obviously did arise naturally without a creator, whether the thing is question is God or the universe; God’s own existence makes him unnecessary in that something could have been created from nothing. One can not make a principled argument if one claims that God is the exception to the rule used to prove him. One might say that God is not material, has no energy or matter, that God is infinite rather than finate, that God resides outside of the universe (which begs the question of who created this other universe God lives in), in essence that god has no entropy. If one is to say this then one is to say that God does not exist because this fits the definition of of nonexistence. Furthermore, we can observe that complexity cannot arise in a complex state but rather must originate in simplicity and become more complex over time, be it life (humans did not magically appear but rather evolved from a line that can be traced back to organic compounds), a solar system and its planets (we know the solar system was once a disorderly disk of gas and particles, look up te nebular hypothesis), or the universe (the big bang; the universe began as the most simple state possible, a singularity). Thus, the concept of God is in contradiction with certain basic premises of reality in that God is generally accepted to not have been created and then must always have been as complex as God was when he created the universe, and God must be at least as complex as the universe in order to create it; God has always been enormously complex and did not evolve from simplicity, and this is considered to be impossible by all serious inquiries. This view (that it is impossible for God to exist because he has always existed in a complex or ordered state) is also supported by basic fundementals of physics and math. The laws of thermodynamics suggest that the statistical probability of the universe being created from from a state of even lower entropy (the more complex and ordered something is, the lower the entropy, thus, God is a state of lower entropy) compared to a state or higher entropy is infinitely lower. We can not definitively demonstrate that God does not exist beyond a reasonable doubt, however the (abridged) evidence above should demonstrate that there is clear and conving evidence suggesting the concept of God is either improbable or impossible.
I’m an atheist, and I have no idea how the universe started. Saying that “god did it” just pushes the question back to, “Who made god?” The exact same things said in the image can be said for religions as well; don’t think you’re immune just because you slap a god onto everything you don’t know. And please stop using this straw man, it’s extremely annoying.
Oh yeah and a space god living in the clouds playing big brother to the universe while carefully monitoring every single person every moment of everyday is completely reasonable. Atheists believe that there is no possible way you can know what happens when you die….until you die. You religious nuts guarantee you know the answers, at least us atheists admit we don’t. Read a book and you’ll realize the Earth is a lot more than just 5,000 years old (like the bible says) or that dinosaurs and man never existed at the same time. Creationism=Lies and Faith=Believing something with absolutely no proof. Rather religulous if you ask me.
This is pretty much completely untrue. Atheism is confined purely to the belief that there is no God. Atheism in and of itself does not claim to know how the universe started. Although nothing coming from nothing in my mind is better than some invisible being that kills the entire human race whenever they piss him off.
Yeah and the belief that a magical invisible man in the sky created it all is so much more credible.
Nothing of what happened was “magic”. It’s sad to see such brainwashing among Christendom and other religion as a general. Why don’t you read a little bit more on the evolutionary theory and the Big Bang Theory. Most theologists and theists have an infinitesimally small grasp of science. Or many, practice pseudo-science (Kent Hovind, etc.) Have you opened your Bible? The Old Testament repeatedly condones many atrocities–http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html. And I presume that you don’t have a degree in science, yet you think you’re smarter than the likes of Dawkins, Hitchens, Hawkings, and the rest of the menagerie, even though they’ve dedicated their entire lives to the field? Grow up.
Idiotic religious people providing a definition of atheism:
The belief that people who know nothing and studied nothing in school and learn nothing magically think they know everything and then type on their keyboards for no reason what so ever making comments that turn out to be true and profound.
Makes perfect sense.
Maybe if you had an IQ over 100, studied biology, chemistry and physics and had a logical brain: you would see that the universe works fine on its own, and doesn’t need an invisible space god telling you not to eat pork and to go to church otherwise you spend an infinite amount of time in a magic prison.
Assuming you refer to Big bang and evolution of universe, please note it is not a belief handed over to us by some cave dwelling, murderous illiterates. we arrived at this knowledge by painstaking observation and evaluation, not by declaring faith in it, but by airing doubts at every single step. It is a journey that has taken us some 13.5 billion years in to the past. A small improvement upon 6004 years!
Every step leading to the conclusion is made open to contest by the the very people who arrived at the conclusion. sounds strange to you? it should!
stoning? Jesus said “he with no sin cast the first stone”
that means nobody.
if theres something in the old testament your referring to it would be wise to know the difference & read things in context. maybe a little history lesson is in order. bro.